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An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.16 20:46:00 - [1] Argh, I think you ate my post. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.16 20:56:00 - [2] Just so you guys know. Every time you open this thread, that post is going to be staring at you. Begging you to answer it. I hope you can live with that on your conscious. At least until you Lotka.org it. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.16 21:53:00 - [3] Originally by: CCP Abathur Originally by: General Meridus Cute, but it still does not address the problem. Simply put, the UI blows. The UI on SiSi is not the final product. It is being worked on as I type this. Think of it this way. Leave it as it is, and I've already started calling it Darwinian Probing. It works perfectly. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.16 22:20:00 - [4] Originally by: Alqualonde Oh, and why don't my probes want to return? They warp back to my ship when I click "recover", but won't go into my cargo hold. This one is a known bug right now. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.17 00:46:00 - [5] Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 17/02/2009 00:47:17 Originally by: CCP Greyscale Originally by: Space Wanderer An opinion. Currently, barring the astro V bug, every player with astrometrics II can use every kind of probe. In the current system you had to have astro V to be able to use the longest range probes (observator and ferret). Why the requirement has been removed for new long range probes? Is this intended? If yes, what is the rationale? Nope, that's me not paying attention. Bumped it to 5, but would consider dropping it to 4. I don't know if this is saying what I think. However, putting these to 5 is a bad idea. First, these probes are basically working as a new multispectral, due to the size of systems and at 1024 you can get some reliable, reproducable results. Secondly, since scan strength is much more important now, these probes aren't good for much else except the multispeccing without having the strength skill to 5. So all you are doing is making someone train another skill to level 5, after training a rank 8 skill to level 5. So that just sounds like you are needlessly adding an extra ~2 weeks of training for no good reason. The only reason anyone would want this is because they're upset that they already trained it to 5. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.17 01:24:00 - [6] Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 17/02/2009 01:29:49 Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 17/02/2009 01:29:13 Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 17/02/2009 01:24:34 Originally by: Marlenus I don't have a strong opinion on the 4 versus 5, but their design function is similar to the Observator, which has always been 5. For finding things that are a really long way away from anything, I don't think 5 is unreasonable. Only in terms of ships. It is a cross between an Observator and a Multispec in the way it works. But the important part is that it is not that useful without strength V. And even with that 5 strength, I'm still thinking it'll be limited to hits on capitals and bigger. Or perhaps permaMWDing Battleships. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.17 15:37:00 - [7] Originally by: Space Wanderer Edited by: Space Wanderer on 17/02/2009 15:34:23 Edited by: Space Wanderer on 17/02/2009 15:31:45 Originally by: Zeba 15cpu exploration launcher that any ship can fit along with i'll guess level 3~4 probe skills will be the answer to your getting stuck in w-space question. Not correct. Without covop bonuses, you are not able to scan some signatures. If the exit wormhole is in that subset, you are effectively trapped, EVEN if you have a core launcher. That's why I like so much Miss Moonwych suggestion. You have no covop? No worry, you can still scan that wormhole out. Just relax and go for a 10 min scan time, if you really want to get out. If you'd scanned a wormhole out, you'd realize that it is perfectly fine to scan them out quickly without said bonus. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.17 16:09:00 - [8] Originally by: Space Wanderer I did (except that it was bugged and no wormholes could be seen). But if you had spent some time scanning around you'd realize that there are a lot of 0.10 and lower sigs which we have no idea what they really are. If there are no wormholes in that range all is fine. But if there are wormholes whose sig is that low and you end up in a system whose only exit is that WH, you are done for. As far as I know there has been no dev statement on the issue. Did I miss something? No,there hasn't been a statement. However, every single wormhole that has been found so far (and this mentioned), has existed in the 0.15% - 0.25% range. With the median being 0.20%, obviously. SO, I find it extremely unlikely that this is going to deviate unless they purposely change it. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.17 16:16:00 - [9] So then even so, if they go all the way up to 40, that makes it even more unlikely that they will go down that far. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.17 16:40:00 - [10] Originally by: Space Wanderer Originally by: An Anarchyyt So then even so, if they go all the way up to 40, that makes it even more unlikely that they will go down that far. Are you serious? "That far" is just continuing the trend.. 0.40 0.26 0.20 0.15 but 0.10 is illogic.... Oh well, it takes all kinds I suppose. Anyway greyscale knows, and hopefully will read the thread and consider the issue. That's only that really matters. But sure you have a strange concept of logic... :-) It's called, making logical conclusions + recalling comments that have been made before by Greyscale and Prism. But then again, this all of course assumes the data we are looking at is correct and that anything greater than .25% was true, and not just an error. We don't really have enough of that to say for sure anyway. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.17 20:36:00 - [11] If anyone gets probed as a cov ops they're doing it wrong. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.17 20:49:00 - [12] Originally by: Nova Fox I would love a line between the probe and that 'ghost ring' which I can barely see. Seriously? Except in really dark system,s the shadows are not in fact hard to see. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 04:23:00 - [13] So I'd like to reiterate that having Deep Space Probes at V makes it completely worthless as a multispectral type probe. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.19 01:25:00 - [14] Originally by: rubico1337 will the new wormhole systems be copies of current known space systems? (in # of planets/moons, sun spectral class, etc) or are you generating new systems all together? thanks and where do i send the beer for this amazing expansion? These are new systems generated. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.20 02:24:00 - [15] Originally by: Sendinal Cortere Originally by: Sigras so has anyone gotten to WH space yet? do we know if the WH's are even open? Some people have gotten devs to move them to wh space and there is a report floating on the forums somewhere. has anyone gotten there 'legally' I doubt it. The entire probing system is borked on this patch so even if they opened them up you can't find them. Well, I "legally" went through a bunch after I was given a BM. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.20 13:28:00 - [16] It appears that while probes are warping now, I still don't get any visual on where my hit is. So, still broken. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 18:54:00 - [17] Originally by: SilKKZ the3rd Veteran Players wont have the required skills to take the NPC on inside the plexes anyway and shouldnt really be in 0.0 space. But the ballance system as it stands is very nasty. I kinda feel cheated out of the months of skills I trained myself. I assume you mean new players. So yes, there is no place for newbies in 0.0. Good job. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.24 20:34:00 - [18] Originally by: FourDrink Minimum OK, I played around with the scanning system and figured out how it works. Some feedback: The new scanning system is difficult and frustrating to learn. Things don't work very intuitively, but once you figure it out, it pays off. Once I figured out how the scanning works and why I sometimes got fewer results than I thought I should have, I started to enjoy it. Its a fun mini-game with significant payoffs. As soon as the solar system map bugs are fixed, it'll be a lot better. I'll say it again, Darwinian Scanning. Bugs not withstanding, the smarter player has an edge over the not so smart player. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.25 17:25:00 - [19] Just scanned down two "Average Frontier Deposit"s. It has ore in it, but the description is a bit confusing as to whether or not it is supposed to be a belt or a gas site. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.02 07:46:00 - [20] Originally by: General Meridus Why was it redesign done in the first place? (The answer I assume was to lower the bar, so players could find the new content.) Its not quite there. And my fingers ache. I'm sure yours do to. Because "Occasionally hit Analyze button every few minutes while reading a book" is not exactly the most exciting thing to do. There really wasn't a good reason as to why it would take anyone longer to scan a site down than to run it. The current system was not exciting, engaging, or anything beyond a time sink. Warp and the type field I already know are being looked at, and the later is being changed. As far as the 1px, and the issue of moving the probes, neither of those is hard for me, nor detrimental, so I'm not really sure that is that important. Without knowing the exact situation with the Deep Space probe it is hard to comment on it. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.04 03:43:00 - [21] You mean....I will have to use my brain? Clearly this is a nerf to people who aren't smart enough and shows that CCP are in fact bigots. I am taking my 57 accounts and going to the ACLU. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.05 05:21:00 - [22] Originally by: bnogo what it was were the unknown plexes(aka combat plex) that had the various DED ratings. and again, you don't know that now until you warp to it. what you do is align away from plex, hit warp, then cancel warp, and if a pop up says DED 7/10 or whatver, you have your answer. or warp in cloaked. i assume that much will stay the same. as for profession sites, you never know how strong/hard they are til you run them a couple times and learn their names. Actually, what it was is that DED plexes had DED ratings. All the original exploration sites and Escalation complexes never did have ratings, and still don't. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.05 20:02:00 - [23] That's a pretty interesting issue here. As far as the blue, yea you could push it up. I didn't even know it was color changing until I zoomed in. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.05 20:53:00 - [24] The timer is always after a round trip. So in other words, if you have a k-w, you go k - w - k and when you go -w you get the timer. So you will always get the timer on the -w side assuming you try and keep going back and forth starting there. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.05 22:13:00 - [25] Originally by: Boby Cola Wasnt Astrometric Acquisition getting changed to something more useful with the new system? I mean having a 50% reduction in scan time was great with the old system but 5 second over 10 second scan time is not something worth time into, as it once was. Greyscale nice work :) "Astronmetric Acquisition" was the old name of Astrometric Triangulation. And the skill changed to giving a time bonus. The harder signal acquisition skill is what you are thinking of. And this has been changed to triangulation and now gives the strength bonus. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.07 16:54:00 - [26] If a person sites in the same place for about 3-4 minutes, I can find them. I don't see how that has "killed" anything, with the exception of probing down farmers. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person

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